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    Hi Ant, please can you help I have a R20, my son has Citroen blingo and has been done for speeding at 70mph on the motor way, his been told the its a Light Goods Vehicle and can only do 60mph, my R20 tax class is also Light Goods Vehicle. My son has contacted Citroen and they are miffed by it.
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    According to the government website a motorhome or motor caravan, no more than 3.05 tonnes can do 70 on a motorway or dual carriageway, surely that is what you have but it doesn't help your son. Or does it depend on what the log book says?

    https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

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    it depends on what the registration document says. take a few pictures of you camper and send it in to the dvlc and ask them to change it to motor caravan
    I have just done it for mine


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    Quote Originally Posted by kyran View Post
    it depends on what the registration document says. take a few pictures of you camper and send it in to the dvlc and ask them to change it to motor caravan
    I have just done it for mine


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    "Cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles" covers all Berlingo models. Even though a Berlingo van is classed as LGV, it is a car derived van so is allowed to do 70 mph on a motorway - unless he was towing? Or was it a "managed motorway" with a lower limit in force at the time?

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    Nothing to do with this really, but I frequently drove a hearse. Hearses were licenced as heavy goods vehicles and were taxed by weight!
    At that time good Heavy goods vehicles were limited to 30 mph, but that Austin Sheerline with its 3 litre engine was capable of 100 mph.
    On duties other than actual funerals it was often used for long distances. Travelling at normal traffic speeds on dual carriageways etc. I often wondered whether I could be "booked".
    I suppose very few Police Officers realised it was a "Goods" vehicle/ And surely the same will apply to Motorhomes? And speed problems will only be followed up by the Police via DVLA looking for validity of driver licence etc. after blatant speeding?
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    I had heard the government has done one of those sneaky changes - interpretation - order in council whatever. So I took a look at the RAC website - updated 25th April 2017!

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/k.../speed-limits/

    Note it is the redefinition of car derived vans - they give the example that the Transit Connect is not rated as a car derived van, I think a Berlingo would fall in the same category. That means my little Daihatsu falls in the same group! Sad but as always Her Maj's government have us bu the ***** & *******

    Safest thing seems to be stick at 60 or you are liable to get into a debate.

    On the Gvt website (Pauline's post) it is not as clear but below the table of speed limits is this paragraph
    Vans, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles
    Most vans:

    have a lower speed limit than cars
    must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
    Vehicles under 2 tonnes laden (loaded) weight may qualify as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’. These vehicles have the same speed limits as cars.


    Now that is as clear as mud - but no doubt helps generate a lot of speeding fines!
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    As I understand it, as explained by a man at the now closed LVLO where we used to register new vehicles, It has to be said he was a bit confused too but after advice gave me this.

    Tax glass PLG up to 3050Kg same as car
    Tax class LGV up to 3050Kg body type Car derived van 60mph
    Tax class LGV up to 3050Kg Body type Motor Caravan 70mph.

    We went to a great deal of trouble to change the registration documents to get the body type changed to Motor Caravan before they were 1st registered, sometimes it worked, sometimes the documents just got rejected, sometimes they got changed back to van! It was a complete nightmare and a lottery as to how each vehicle was actually registered.

    The key thing is to have the body type as Motor Caravan, if you haven't you can apply to DVLA with pictures and a letter from Romahome to get it changed, Romahome have a standard letter that just needs the vehicle details adding to it.
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    Hi, Thanks to everyone, think I`d better stick to the lower limits ! It doesn`t look as though I`d save anything tax wise by changing to a motor caravan. Chris.

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    Maybe it's me but doesn't it all seem rather strange?

    You could have the same vehicle, if it's called a motor caravan on the registration document it can go 70 if not it can only go 60 ...

    Why? It's the same van!

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    Just to confuse the issue, a few years ago I took up with the DVLA as was to get a few discrepancies sorted on my registration book for my Romahome R30. Several weeks were spent on sending photos and correcting fresh errors they made each time. In the end I gave up. My registration book now reads-

    Body type:- Motor Caravan
    Taxation Class:- Light Goods Vehicle
    Seating:- 3 (in actual fact it has 4 belted seats)

    In the end you just have to give up, life is too short to spend it messing about with details for people who have no concept of what they are talking about. Graham (and Carole)
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    Further to the above, I have printed up a copy of the National Speed Limits in which it gives the speed limits for:-

    Motorhomes or motorcaravans(not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight Single carriageway 50mph
    Dual carriageway 70mph
    Motorway 70mph

    This section I have circled in red and am keeping the list in my glove pocket ready to do battle if stopped. Graham (and Carole)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauline View Post
    Maybe it's me but doesn't it all seem rather strange?

    You could have the same vehicle, if it's called a motor caravan on the registration document it can go 70 if not it can only go 60 ...

    Why? It's the same van!
    Pauline, Cynically - because this allows the government to reap a large amount of revenue from the unsuspecting.
    CeeGee because your V5 says Motor Caravan you are OK. If my little Daihatsu exceeds 60 mph (FLAGS FLY) I get nicked as it is a pick-up.

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    is it a Light goods vehicle - 60 or a motorhome - 70.
    i considered getting mine changed to a motorhome for this reason as i can't demount now without major damage but i CBA.
    Bit harsh really though isn't it.

    in other news my partner said she loved the speed awareness course she did and everyone should do it. so not all lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeCee View Post
    Just to confuse the issue, a few years ago I took up with the DVLA as was to get a few discrepancies sorted on my registration book for my Romahome R30. Several weeks were spent on sending photos and correcting fresh errors they made each time. In the end I gave up. My registration book now reads-

    Body type:- Motor Caravan
    Taxation Class:- Light Goods Vehicle
    Seating:- 3 (in actual fact it has 4 belted seats)

    In the end you just have to give up, life is too short to spend it messing about with details for people who have no concept of what they are talking about. Graham (and Carole)
    Finally got round to checking ours - it says the same except it does say 4 seats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeCee View Post
    Further to the above, I have printed up a copy of the National Speed Limits in which it gives the speed limits for:-

    Motorhomes or motorcaravans(not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight Single carriageway 50mph
    Dual carriageway 70mph
    Motorway 70mph

    This section I have circled in red and am keeping the list in my glove pocket ready to do battle if stopped. Graham (and Carole)
    That's odd though that we can do the normal national speed limit on dual carriageway and motorways but not 60 mph on single?

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    My Peugeot Partner is classed as an MPV and was taxed as a diesel car. No mention of PLG. strangely. It's now taxed as a disability vehicle so I suppose that makes me bomb proof at 70? Would taxing a motorhome as disabled get rid of this discrimination? A possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llywelyn1984 View Post
    is it a Light goods vehicle - 60 or a motorhome - 70.
    i considered getting mine changed to a motorhome for this reason as i can't demount now without major damage but i CBA.
    Bit harsh really though isn't it.

    in other news my partner said she loved the speed awareness course she did and everyone should do it. so not all lost.
    Llewellen its MPH not KPH My HiJet is doing her best at 50 to 55 with 60
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    Quote Originally Posted by MYKE View Post
    My Peugeot Partner is classed as an MPV and was taxed as a diesel car. No mention of PLG. strangely. It's now taxed as a disability vehicle so I suppose that makes me bomb proof at 70? Would taxing a motorhome as disabled get rid of this discrimination? A possibility.
    You are confusing vehicle type with Tax Class.
    The speed limit is based on the type.
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    I think initially the Berlingo was only made as a van, the Multispace coming later.

    So technically the Multispace is a "van derived car" rather than the other way round.

    I thought I'd just throw that in to muddy the waters still further

    (Ducks for cover)

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