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    Default How to identify the age of C15 Cabins/Pods.

    In another thread relating to the age of and rebodying/re-chassising of C15 Romahomes, there seemed some confusion to how to date the Cabin/pod/accomodation unit (call it what you will). The question arose because there often seem to be some C15's for sale claiming to be 2000+ registered but with possibly an earlier pod on the back.

    Leaving aside the legal aspect of whether you can call a 2005 chassis with, say, a 1992 pod attached a 2005 Romahome, I was more interested in ways of identifying the age of a pod so that when I look at adverts for C15, I can at least have a fair chance of establishing whether the pods have been transferred to a newer chassis because it is quite possible that this work will not have been undertaken by a particularly knowledgeable party.

    With my extremely limited knowledge, I have been dating the pod simply by identifying the cooker. I've been assuming that the 'upright' brown Flavel Vanessa cooker was replaced in the mid 1990's by a flush fitting surface mounted much more modern looking burner.

    Anyway, I put this question to Ant on the Ask Ant forum and he very kindly replied with the following information.

    "Hi Panda.
    the Flavel Vanessa was indeed discontinued towards the mid 1990's which would be an instant dating tool for anything pretending to be younger than it was. All Romahome C15's post 1990 had the build number and date of body stamped into the rear door frame just below the upper hinge, if the rear door and frame have not been changed this will give the true date of the body. Re-bodied C15's also tend to have had the body painted to match the cab and hide any inevitable damage repairs caused when removing the body from its previous chassis.
    Pre 1990 bodies had a bulkhead behind the cab seats, they had "Contra" side windows with aluminium channel stays rather than the later black tubular ones or later auto locking ones.
    Nothing was built by Romahome after 2002 so any younger chassis should be treated as a clone. Also the C15 765kg chassis had PAS as standard after 1994/5 many of the clones don't have PAS as the later chassis (2004 onwards on a 600kg)weren't offered with PAS.
    Your gut feeling has served you well so far so I'm sure if you listen to it you'll be fine.
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    So there we have it. For those of us who are looking to buy a C15, this is a cracking bit of info to check whether we are buying a genuine original cabin and pod unit. I know I have put this info at the end of the previous thread it was discussed in, but I do feel that this info is so useful, that it deserves it's own easily identifiable thread. So, moderators, I crave your indulgence to please excuse my replication of information here.

    And once again we must thank Ant for his tremendous work in providing this information for us. This site would be very much the worse without him. Cheers Ant!

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    Default Picture of early type cooker, Flavel Vanessa.

    Here is a picture of the early type cooker, the Flavel Vanessa.
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    And here are a couple of pictures of the later type cooker.
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    On the De-mountable Romahome pods there is a date stamp in the Aluminium Frame of the rear door near to the top hinge.

    My Pod is dated around 1988 but I fitted a newer Flavel Vanessa hob, so that might confuse people.

    Is there nothing like this "stamp" on the Rigid Bodied Romahomes ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donk's Dad View Post
    On the De-mountable Romahome pods there is a date stamp in the Aluminium Frame of the rear door near to the top hinge.

    My Pod is dated around 1988 but I fitted a newer Flavel Vanessa hob, so that might confuse people.

    Is there nothing like this "stamp" on the Rigid Bodied Romahomes ?.
    Hi DD. Yep Ant does say in the info that there is indeed a build number and date stamp just below the upper hinge. Must have been done on all Romahome pods then, I would think.

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    Flavel Vanessa (I assume.....) from a 1990 Hytop. Note the colour difference, possibly identifying very early pods or maybe just partially repainted with high temperature paint?

    I'll keep checking and posting.......

    This could possibly become the most tedious thread ever, spotting the makes and models and colours of Romahome C15 cookers......

    Does anyone know if the later ones are Smev? They look sort of Smev-ish (if that's a word....).
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    Ha ha! This confirms it. Flavel Vanessa, with a white surface again, from a J reg. 1991 Hylo. It would appear that very early pods have a white cooking surface (is that how to describe it?) to the cooker.

    Told you this would get boring......

    If anyone else can summon up the will to join in, please feel free........

    But I certainly understand if you don't want to. In fact I may question your sanity if you do in fact join in......

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    We could, of course start a new thread where we try and define the age of a C15 pod purely by the grill pan alone.......
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    Ok, to continue the theme, here is a Flavel Vanessa from a 1992 K reg Hytop. It is now the beige-ish colour on the cooking surface. Therefore it would appear that up to and including 1991 aproximately, the Flavel Vanessa cooking surface was white. From aproximately 1992 the Flavel Vanessa cooking surface was beige-ish.

    This helps a bit to indentify very early pods from photos at least. This is assuming that the cooker hasn't been changed, of course.....

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    Ok, assuming the advert I've taken this from is for an original unfiddled with Romahome, we see that the Flavel Vanessa is still in use on an L reg 1994 Hylo.

    I know we're getting very near the change over point (to surface mounted cooker) at this point. I've seen adds for P reg. 1996 with the surface mounted cooker.

    I really must get out more.....

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    Well, almost there. Here we have a 1995 N reg Hylo with a surface mounted cooker. This picture was taken from a thread in 2011 from this site and the gentleman was trying to sell it through the forum, so the vehicle has a reasonable provenance, I think.

    Now very close to finding out what year the cookers changed from Flavel Vanessa to surface mounted.

    I can't remember why all this started now, but I'm sure it will come back to me.

    For some reason I'm feeling the urge for toast - I can't think why....

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    First of all, if you're still with me at this point, then you deserve a medal, if I'm honest. Housepoint and a tick. VG, well done.

    But you'll be pleased to know we're closer than ever. Here we have an M reg 1995 Hytop with a surface mounted cooker. I've found three seperate old adverts for different M reg 1995 C15's, so I think it is reasonable to say that in 1995 on an M Plate (guvnor...) we see the surface mounted cooker.

    So I've found an L reg 1994 with a Flavel Vanessa so it would seem that if we find an M reg 1994 C15, this should give us the answer.

    It's almost worth reading on, isn't it? Isn't it.......?

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    By george, I think he's done it!

    This was a bit harder. I can only easily find one sale of an M reg 1994 C15 Romahome that shows pictures. But before you start listing them, I know there are certain to be more out there. However, I am reasonably satisfied that this was a genuine advert and it seems to show that this 1994 M reg Hytop had a Flavel Vanessa in it!

    I shall bask in my own (assumed) glory for a moment before listing my conclusions in the next post.

    Behold the magic that is a Flavel Vanessa cooker (beige cooking surface, of course), in a 1994 M reg C15 Romahome!

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    Ok, what have we achieved and why did I start all this? This thread came about because at the time of writing, I am looking for a decent C15 Hylo. However, I was concerned that a number of vehicles I had seen online appeared to have much earlier pods (living accomodation) than the age of the actual vehicle, so appeared to have had the body transferred to a newer chassis. That is ok if a known specialist has done it, but not necessarily if it had been done by just anyone.

    So how do you date a pod just by a few photos online? Well, Ant helped me out and it seems a reasonably accurate way of doing it is simply by identifying the cooker. We had established that the Flavel Vanessa upright cooker was used until the mid 1990's after which time a surface mounted cooker was then utilised.

    I wanted to narrow it down even more, really just as an exercise. So I did and here are my findings.

    Flavel Vanessa cooker (white cooking surface) used up to and including aproximately 1991 on a J reg.

    Flavel Vanessa cooker (beige cooking surface) used aproximately 1992 on a K reg until 1994 on an M reg.

    Surface mounted cooker used aproximately from 1995 on an M reg to end of run, according to Ant, about 2002.

    Now then, before you all find slight differences of dates and plates, there obviously may have been a few months of change over or the odd year later plate with an earlier cooker, or use of old stock etc. but as a general guide I think this is reasonably accurate.

    However, to quote Ant, "....the Flavel Vanessa was indeed discontinued towards the mid 1990's which would be an instant dating tool for anything pretending to be younger than it was..... ....Nothing was built by Romahome after 2002 so any younger chassis should be treated as a clone...."

    So if you then reply to this thread and say that I must be wrong, because you've just seen an advert for a 2005 Hytop with a Flavel Vanessa in it, then please read this thread again. All I can say is that I put this thread together to help me and others looking to purchase C15 Romahomes, not for it to act as a challenge for anyone to deliberately try and catch me out. So please just try and be respectful of a long evenings (very enjoyable) work, lol.

    However, if I have indeed made any massive glaring errors, then by all means, add to the thread!

    But add to the thread anyway, that's what it's here for, after all.

    There may be many later C15 chassis out there with a perfectly safely and correctly transferred earlier pod on it. I wouldn't dare say that every transferred pod is rubbish. I am just trying to help us see any anomalies and treat such items with caution and ask the necessary questions. That is all. I myself wouldn't buy a 2005 Romahome C15 without asking many questions. Because Romahome didn't make them. I, myself, as a prospective purchaser, similarly would be very cautious of any late registered Romahome C15 with an apparently earlier pod on it. I'd need to see some paperwork, if you like.

    And I must say, that at this time, there are indeed a few C15 Romahomes for sale (though not on this site) that do not at first glance appear to be - how can I put it - quite what they seem......

    Anyway, I hope what I have done here has at least been a bit useful to some people and hopefully amused you a little, on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandabloke View Post
    Ok, what have we achieved and why did I start all this? This thread came about because at the time of writing, I am looking for a decent C15 Hylo. However, I was concerned that a number of vehicles I had seen online appeared to have much earlier pods (living accomodation) than the age of the actual vehicle, so appeared to have had the body transferred to a newer chassis. That is ok if a known specialist has done it, but not necessarily if it had been done by just anyone.

    So how do you date a pod just by a few photos online? Well, Ant helped me out and it seems a reasonably accurate way of doing it is simply by identifying the cooker. We had established that the Flavel Vanessa upright cooker was used until the mid 1990's after which time a surface mounted cooker was then utilised.

    I wanted to narrow it down even more, really just as an exercise. So I did and here are my findings.

    Flavel Vanessa cooker (white cooking surface) used up to and including aproximately 1991 on a J reg.

    Flavel Vanessa cooker (beige cooking surface) used aproximately 1992 on a K reg until 1994 on an M reg.

    Surface mounted cooker used aproximately from 1995 on an M reg to end of run, according to Ant, about 2002.

    Now then, before you all find slight differences of dates and plates, there obviously may have been a few months of change over or the odd year later plate with an earlier cooker, or use of old stock etc. but as a general guide I think this is reasonably accurate.

    However, to quote Ant, "....the Flavel Vanessa was indeed discontinued towards the mid 1990's which would be an instant dating tool for anything pretending to be younger than it was..... ....Nothing was built by Romahome after 2002 so any younger chassis should be treated as a clone...."

    So if you then reply to this thread and say that I must be wrong, because you've just seen an advert for a 2005 Hytop with a Flavel Vanessa in it, then please read this thread again. All I can say is that I put this thread together to help me and others looking to purchase C15 Romahomes, not for it to act as a challenge for anyone to deliberately try and catch me out. So please just try and be respectful of a long evenings (very enjoyable) work, lol.

    However, if I have indeed made any massive glaring errors, then by all means, add to the thread!

    But add to the thread anyway, that's what it's here for, after all.

    There may be many later C15 chassis out there with a perfectly safely and correctly transferred earlier pod on it. I wouldn't dare say that every transferred pod is rubbish. I am just trying to help us see any anomalies and treat such items with caution and ask the necessary questions. That is all. I myself wouldn't buy a 2005 Romahome C15 without asking many questions. Because Romahome didn't make them. I, myself, as a prospective purchaser, similarly would be very cautious of any late registered Romahome C15 with an apparently earlier pod on it. I'd need to see some paperwork, if you like.

    And I must say, that at this time, there are indeed a few C15 Romahomes for sale (though not on this site) that do not at first glance appear to be - how can I put it - quite what they seem......

    Anyway, I hope what I have done here has at least been a bit useful to some people and hopefully amused you a little, on the way.

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    Sandals & Socks !


    Looks like inspector Clouseau has solved the mystery about ageing a Romahome by the sneaky use of the cooker as a guide. Well done for all of the research

    But you have to take into consideration, upgrades. My 1988 demountable came with an earlier off-white or possibly beige cooker and we renewed this with a newer and more efficient brown and beige flavel Vanessa. (that had a splask back fitted (although we removed this) We bought a later damaged pod that he been rear ended to use the side opening windows to replace our fixed side windows and this doner pod had a white cooker of the same model a our original off-white or possibly beige cooker, so it looks as though island plastics fitted whatever cookers were available at the time. Also out of interest the doner pod had walls covered with a type of grey fab-lon covered ply and was not up to the spec of our own pod that is fully insulated with a carpet type faced plywood. So it looks like you could chose the spec you wanted in the early demountable and probably pay extra for the up-grades.


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    Hi DD,

    Yes, I know what you are saying. However, it is only a general, first instance, way of identifying pods from home via a photo. I expect a vast number of pods were originally standard anyway and again, if in doubt, don't drive 200 miles to view it, lol. If in a little bit of doubt, look at the doorframe when you get there. If that's been replaced, borrow it, drive it to Ant's place and ask him, lol!

    It seems, if you look at any of the usual sales sites, eBay, Preloved, Gumtree, Motorhome trader, using this method you will come across a number of questionable vehicles straight away. There is at least one, currently, that claims to be a 2005 C15........ Romahome didn't produce the C15 Romahome by then. There is also a 2000 Hylo with a Flavel Vanessa in it.......

    I've also spotted that the upholstery may also give a reasonable indication of age, too. I spotted a lot of upholstery while viewing Cookers, I can tell you.

    Damn, I feel the need for toast again......

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    This is the inside of the C15 I used to have, a 1991 model:
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